I love Madonna for her music, but I love her even more for her election analysis as it relates to women.  Women who voted for Donald Trump (including my mom) have a deep distrust/hatred of other women simply because they are women. They believe in women having a proper place in society which is the home. They looked at Hillary and saw a traitor to what being a woman meant. My mom would talk about how crooked Hillary was, and she talked about the emails as if Hillary was handing the soviets all of our secrets. In my opinion, it’s dumb to debate Hillary’s crookedness because it’s a moot point. What Trump demonstrated through the election was a lot of male rhetoric used to answer questions which allowed him to provide no details to his ideas for his policies which appeal to a society that loves discriminates.

I was amazed that my mom could still support Trump after the “grab her by the p*ssy” comments. My mom would rather her daughter meet Trump than Hillary. And that to me is terribly sad. It’s disheartening to see my sister trying to make sense of how my mom could ignore everything Trump said and hate Hillary with such vitriol. My mom would try to distance herself by saying that she really dislikes both of them, but in reality, Trump could do anything, and she’d vote for him over Hillary. What’s so sad to me is that I’m a minority! Most of the country is drinking the Trump kool aid. Will we ever wake up?

I want to ask you about ageism in the music world. In Hollywood, as you know, it’s rare for women to find great roles as they get older. I imagine it’s even tougher to be a woman of a certain age in pop music. When you go into the studio or mount a tour like Rebel Heart, are you concerned about staying relevant?
I don’t care. It’s the rest of society that cares. I don’t ever think about my age until someone says something about it. I feel that I have wisdom, experience, knowledge and a point of view that is important. Can a teenager relate to that? Probably not. But that’s OK. I understand that. “Relevance” is a catchphrase that people throw out because we live in a world full of discrimination. Age is only brought up with regard to women. It’s connected to sexism, chauvinism and misogyny. When Leonardo is 60 years old, no one is going to talk about his relevance. Am I relevant as a female in this society that hates women? Well, to people who are educated and are not chauvinists or ­misogynists, yes.

Speaking of: How did you feel about the outcome of the election?
It felt like someone died. It felt like a ­combination of the heartbreak and betrayal you feel when someone you love more than anything leaves you, and also a death. I feel that way every morning; I wake up and say, “Oh, wait, Donald Trump is still the president,” and it wasn’t a bad dream that I had. It feels like women betrayed us. The percentage of women who voted for Trump was insanely high.

Why do you think that is?
Women hate women. That’s what I think it is. Women’s nature is not to support other women. It’s really sad. Men protect each other, and women protect their men and children. Women turn inward and men are more external. A lot of it has do with jealousy and some sort of tribal inability to accept that one of their kind could lead a nation. Other people just didn’t bother to vote because they didn’t like either candidate, or they didn’t think Trump had a chance in the world. They took their hands off the wheel and then the car crashed.

Were you surprised?
Of course. I was devastated, surprised, in shock. I haven’t really had a good night’s sleep since he has been elected. We’re f—ed.

Do you know anyone who voted for Trump?
Yeah, and I’ve gotten into major arguments.

What did they say?
That they would rather have a successful businessman running the country than a woman who lies. Just absurd. But people don’t have faith in government as we know it. We live in a country that’s run by ­bankers. In a way, it makes sense that Donald Trump is the president. Because money rules. Not intelligence, not experience, not a moral compass, not the ability to make wise ­decisions, not the ability to think of the future of the human race.

Check out the full interview with Madonna here.